identity, separation and love

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Self is identity

identity goes from subject to object

the process called identification.

If there is an identity,

that identity will be separate from other identities.

Identity means separation,

hence loneliness.

When self identifies, it feels lonely

any identity is not loving but fearful

No-self does not feel loneliness.

No-self can feel real love

No-self is fearless

Does no-self imply togetherness?

Does no-self imply oneness?

Does no-self imply wholeness?

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21 thoughts on “identity, separation and love

    • but I don’t feel any ‘oneness’ … πŸ™‚ just something that can be described as primordial happiness, whatever it is. My mind imagines oneness to be something, and that imagination is obviously wrong.

  1. Please help! I don’t know what the picture is and how you relate it to the wordsI I like the words and thoughts behind them. Very nice.

    • A tiny red leaf, in late fall, holding tight to the branch, covered by merging morning dew – a bit blurred by its own movement to the macro lens, about 1cm long.

      If the only remnant of self is perception, when you feel pain, you will identify with the pain. Likewise, if you see a red leaf, you will temporarily identify with that leaf.

      No interpretation, no mind, no emotion, just that leaf.

      • Thanks for the clarification of the picture, now it all makes sense! Your lovely description of the leaf with morning dew on it, reminiscent of a raindrop/prism on its tip reminds me of a description someone once made about a chandelier in my house. Lovely words, meanings, pictures, Burt!

    • A tiny red leaf, in late fall, holding tight to the branch, covered by merging morning dew – a bit blurred by its own movement to the macro lens, about 1cm long.

      If the only remnant of self is perception, when you feel pain, you will identify with the pain. Likewise, if you see a red leaf, you will temporarily identify with that leaf.

      No interpretation, no mind, no emotion, just that leaf.

  2. In no-self there is oneness. Does this mean an aspect of enlightenment is no self? I have experienced no self. It was not the no-self of enlightenment by any means– rather part and parcel of being Bipolar. There is no fear– just “being” like a tree is in nature. There is a oneness with creation– a profound peace. Can one stay in this state? Don’t all of us secretly seek no-self? Unity with all creation? Just “being?” Don’t people take drugs, alcohol as easy ways to no self? I have also experienced the no self of psychosis when it is terrifying to feel one has no walls? Then there is terror. Then one cannot function. But no self through proper channels like meditation, chanting, various religious ceremonies, leads to unity, peace and “being.” Einstein said seeing ourselves as separate is an “optical delusion of consciousness.” It would seem that the no-self of enlightenment would flood one with compassion for every thing in creation and bring one the peace that filled an avatar such as Paramahansa Yogananda.

    • Does no-self imply oneness? I think the implication goes only in one direction. No-self implies nothing. It implies the absence of identification. To me it came close to ‘relentless laughter’. And still does. A couple of times this morning. Finally being free of mind. What a liberation. How free this feeling, but still mind is very strong and always there. The next step is to change the level of awareness … but if that is possible at all remains to be seen. I cannot do anything to make it happen. Even thinking about it is crazy.
      Do people take drugs to feel free? Certainly. Are they free in that case? Certainly not!

      I don’t look at my glimpses of freedom as states. It’s like a non state.

      I don’t see unity. I see peace and happiness (and discernment, inspiration and a stronger long distance connector) But I think that being in no-self is still bipolar: happiness and sadness, love and fear.

      Obviously, there is still a lot of time needed to find Truth!
      Yogananda had a completely different background, Lahiri Mahasaya might be easier to follow πŸ™‚ he had a job!

        • The no-state compares to the mathematical plane without anything on it. It is there when I watch the comedy you added to the post ‘relentless laughter’. That is a no-state. When you laugh for more than 20 seconds, your mind is silent, and you don’t identify with it or anything else. You are in the laughter. That is a no-state.

    • When my mind ponders the question it supposes that self can become Self and part of All. When self does not identify, there is no such thing, no separation, and no interconnectedness, only laughter from deep inside.

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