what does self identify with

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never identifying with the flower object of our attention, seldom with the seeing itself, shortly identifying with the eye that sees, most often identifying with the mind that interprets what it sees.

Identification shifts very often. One moment I’m passionately talking about what happens inside me. Three minutes later the sceptic mind takes over. We seem to identify with the subject of our attention.

We identify with our eye when we see something, moments later we identify with our mind interpreting what we just saw, and most often the identity remains there. Body pain will also acquire our attention and we will identify with the body in that case. Emotional pain, idem.

But after a short identification with sensation or emotion, in most cases, we will soon shift and become our mind. Mind will start thinking about body pain, causes, effect and cures, emotional pains, causes and effects, mental pain causes and effects.

In the last case, mind will start feeding its own pain reasoning in circles. What self image do we have when we identify with that mental process spiralling away from reality.

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12 thoughts on “what does self identify with

    • 🙂 I did not see the movie, only read pages of the book when I was just able to read. I had to steal books from my sister’s room. Often she found them, and I did not find them again.

  1. Have you ever studied the Enneagram? In that system, three basic types identify very differently. I’ve found it to be a marvelous tool for understanding just how differently each of us is motivated.
    Interesting post.

    • I have encountered the enneagram a couple of times in the past 10 years. But I have always preferred Jung/Meyers-Briggs. Over the years most of my indicators have moved to 50%. There used to be an INFJ but now there is only an WXYZ left, depending on the situation.

  2. Hi Bert, very subtle observation, but I didn’t understand the last two lines… would be grateful if you could expand a bit. The ‘circles’ you mention are ’cause and effect’ loops?

    • Mind is often feeding itself with its own thoughts and opinions. One could indeed see them as cause and effect loops, although from a distance it might more look like being stuck in your thinking. If there is no awareness about this mechanism, it is also difficult to snap out of it.
      If on top of that we are not aware that our mind is nothing more but our ‘own internet in our head’, and if we identify self with mind, then there is no way out.

  3. This ties in nicely with an observation I’ve made as a massage therapist. Those who can passively observe the pain within their body without attachments to it have the ability to release the tension trapped within their bodies much quicker than those who remain entrenched in the reasons associated with the pain.

    • We only have to observe ourselves to become aware of this process. But we never do. Society does not teach us to come into contact with our own self. It only teaches anatomy in stead.

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